Bob Lazar

[Deqlyn]

What do you think Legit or Sociopath?

I mean I saw an interview last night about him taking John Leer to S4 to watch UFO test flights. It was video recorded...

[Jon God]

From all my research, I would say attention whore.

I had a phase where I looked deep into interesting things: Atlantis, Bermuda Triangle, and of course Area 51/UFOs. Out of all the things I read on UFOs, his story seemed the most shaky, and thrown together to get attention. Granted, I've not read anything recent, if what you are talking is recent. However, he's had this much time to tweak his story to sound the most believable.

I think the reason Area 51 gets so much attention is because it's a top secret military base, that everyone knows about. Kinda makes a good setting for any story. One of the reasons that it became known for UFOs is because they developed new aircraft there, that, at the time, looked very alien. Such as this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... _Front.jpg

I don't think the government itself would cash in on it: http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/area-51-10.jpg

I think it could be possible that there are aliens, at the government might have had something to study, or something as such, but I highly doubt Area 51 had anything to do with it, due to it's popularity, and the fact that it's not that difficult to climb up a nearby mountain and just look down. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 7.2008.jpg

Anyways, that's my 2¢

[Deqlyn]

Shaky cause people are after him? I mean if you uncovered some serious stuff and black suits are always following you, wouldn't you go public to "protect yourself?"

Id be interested in talking to class of 7 whatever of MIT and see if he was really there since all records are erased supposedly.

[Jon God]

Shaky cause people are after him? I mean if you uncovered some serious stuff and black suits are always following you, wouldn't you go public to "protect yourself?"

Id be interested in talking to class of 7 whatever of MIT and see if he was really there since all records are erased supposedly.

Shaky,as in, 'Doesn't sound like it's the truth.' Though, I'd bet the suits hate him anyways, they now have to have guards all times of day around Area 51, because people want to try and get a closer look. So much for "secret base."

I think you could argue that the suits erased his records, and talked to the people, but I actually doubt it in this case. (No records of Bob Lazar going to the schools he said he went to, people that would have been in his class never met him. ect.) People have listened to his descriptions of how things worked, and how they were built, and from things I've read, they aren't scientific, they are just sci-fi technobabble. They don't make any logical sense, but are great for people who don't understand what he is talking about because they sound like something a scientist might say.

Also, if I remember right, he was fined a few times for selling illegal firework makings, and other things.

I honestly think he's just a attention-whore-con-man. Again though, I think it's possible that such things have gone on, but I don't believe anything from him.

[Baak]

Stanton Friedman tends to be critical of hoaxes in the UFO field, and this was his take on Bob Lazar from 1997:
http://www.stantonfriedman.com/index.ph ... 1997.12.15


If you can sell enough books and videos to make a living, and the subject is something that is rife with hoaxes and mis-information, and you can weave a story that is "convincing enough", you've got it made.


I first got into UFO's back before most of you were born (heh) and read a fascinating book "UFO's from behind the Iron Curtain". Great stuff. For those too young to remember, the Iron Curtain was the area of Eastern Europe absorbed into the Soviet Union after WWII and existed until the fall of the Soviet Union. UFO photos (some really interesting imo) and stories were not something the USSR was overly fond of (basically nothing could go wrong or be outside their control -- it would be a sign of weakness), and these people weren't making lots of money on this stuff, so it was more interesting to me.

The first thing you have to ask yourself is: Are they selling something? The simplest formula to follow is: (a) Instill fear; (b) Sell the solution to the fear. If it makes you feel fearful in some way, pay attention before paying from your wallet.


I have always believed there is something going on with UFO's -- what it is precisely, who knows. Unfortunately, the entire field is 99% doggie-doo due to the relentless pursuit of $$$ and attention, as Jon God so eloquently stated.

Watch any UFO show on the History Channel (we gave up on TV 10 years ago but I still see them in hotels when we travel) and you'll end up watching 60 minutes worth of show to get about 90 seconds worth of information, with nowhere else to go, and often the information is a bit "iffy" or unverifiable or was lost/stolen (seriously: if I had photos or real documentation I would make 500 copies and post it everywhere and mail it randomly to newspapers and TV stations, instead people often lose the "one copy" or it was stolen by "suits"). If the suits wanted to keep this guy quiet, he would have disappeared a looong time ago, dontcha think? And the History Channel (or anyone else) doesn't have to believe any of it -- they are selling the show and making $$$ on advertising. This is a biggie: it seems like they are legitimizing it by showing it -- they aren't -- they are making money off it. Doesn't matter what it is, as long as it's legal and they make a profit. Even Bob Lazar doesn't have to believe it -- as long as it's selling. Subtle, eh? Remember that!


What if it's beings dimension jumping? What if it's a future race of humans traveling back through time? What if it really is extraterrestrials, but we're no more interesting than slime in a petri dish?

Or what if -- as Stephen Hawking said in a recent interview: "If aliens visit us, the outcome would be much as when Columbus landed in America, which didn't turn out well for the Native Americans"

Who knows.

Until something happens that cannot be denied and cannot be Photoshopped, we'll never know.


Seriously, this guys take on Element 115 makes no sense. Look up Element 115 on Wikipedia and it's one of those elements that decays in < 1s -- the idea of stockpiling 500 lbs of the stuff makes no sense whatsoever. But it sounds good.

Anything outside people's normal day-to-day experience (which can be a lot of natural phenomenon) can be exploited.

Saw the video of a supposed UFO over Moscow the other day and people really believe it is one because they can't seem to imagine a large tethered balloon over the city. It's so obvious if you look at what it could be first, but people don't. They see something unusual, that doesn't look like the Goodyear blimp (i.e. USA-perspective), that everyone is saying is "dark and triangular shaped" (from that distance a diamond shape on edge looks like a triangle) and they jump to all kinds of conclusions. But it was just a balloon (probably a special event, which could easily be checked). Or military flares in the night sky of Arizona -- again unusual but explainable. Or missile/rocket launches in China -- same thing.


The interesting bit is the 1% that cannot be explained away. What the heck are they?

Again, who knows.

The UK government keeps releasing UFO documents to the public:
http://ufos.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

Seems like they are simply getting tired of people asking for the information.


So I'm definitely in the "I Believe" camp, but I am very skeptical of everything, because 99%+ is powered by greed.

I've also come to the conclusion that the governments are not all-powerful, but are instead mostly greedy and ego-driven, due to the fact that they are made up of lots and lots of the most greedy and ego-driven animals on the planet: humans. Thinking of them as all-powerful simply gives them your power without them having to do a thing. And that's scarier than any black helicopter fleet.

[Jon God]

Wikipedia is a great source of information regarding UFOs, loads of text, and great information to jump to. Also, if you want to know more, it's easy to find more info via external links and google.

As for if I believe. I don't know yet. I personally only am willing to believe in things if there is some shred of undeniable evidence. So far, there has only been possibilities in my eyes, which makes me very skeptical.

I agree with you though. Reading about UFOs from people makes me feel they are either A. Looking for money/fame, or B. Mentally not all there. It's the people that seem trust worthy that interest me. And that accounts for maybe 5% at most of all the UFO stories.


If you want some more food for thought, check out the Kennedy assassination, there is some pretty cool things to think about there, albeit scary.

[Deqlyn]

Yeah I took an assasinations class about 8 years ago and the teachers just talked about JFK and their thoughts and conspiracies. Was good and interesting and possible but who knows.

As far as Aliens I think they do exist to what intelligence I don't even bother to guess. I just think its highly unlikely that out of the millions of stars solar systems etc... that we are the 1 umpteenbazillion that just happened to work out. Even bacteria would be considered alien.

I agree with both of you guys BTW, good info and perspective.

[agrund]

The Robert Lazar Timeline

As Assembled from Public Records and Statements

Version 1.30, January, 1997

Originally released July, 1994

by Tom Mahood (tmahood@ibm.net)

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This project began as an attempt to verify Robert Lazar's story of
"vanishing records". What was uncovered was not only a multitude of records,
but records that portray an individual and story very much at odds with that
generally accepted. Some of these records appear to contradict statements
made by Lazar.

Every attempt has been made to make this document as accurate as possible.
If any discrepancies are found, please direct them to the author for
correction in any future versions. Likewise, if there are any readers with
additional verifiable, public information, please pass it on for inclusion.

What follows is a summation of statements, interviews and records, arranged
in chronological order, providing the framework of what is, by anyone's
definition, a most interesting life. Please note the information presented
here consists ONLY of public records. While it's highly likely detailed
school transcripts (for example) exist, they are considered confidential and
may not be released to the general public.

The implications of Lazar's story are tremendous, and if there is even the
slightest possibility it might be true, it is worthy of detailed
investigation. This information is being put forth as part of that effort,
in the hopes it will provide researchers and other interested parties with
areas for further study.

A question may come to mind: Could some or all of these documents have been
"planted" to discredit Lazar? It is certainly possible, as most things are.
However, this would have entailed tampering with many reels of microfilm.
Since none of the reels exhibited any splicing in the area of Lazar's
records, the only way these records could have been planted would be to
replace the entire reel. Also, the master reels from which the microfilms
the public uses are made, would have to also be tampered with, even though
they are stored in vaults. Furthermore, some of the documents available,
such as divorce proceedings, are the actual documents complete with
signatures. And throughout the files, the information appears to
cross-correlate completely.
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Jan. 26, 1959: Robert Scott Lazar (RL) born in Coral Gables, Florida
The location, Coral Gables, is given in Good's book. Good also states
that George Knapp checked with the hospital RL claims to have been born
at in Coral Gables and "..no records could be found." (1) The date is
from RL's first marriage certificate, however only his State of birth
is listed, not the city. (10)

A note on birth records in Florida. There are usually 3 different
locations birth records are kept. The first, the hospital of birth, is
also the least reliable, since it not an "official" repository of
records. Records may or may not be found there. The next source, which
is very reliable, is the Health Department of the County of birth.
However, the best and most comprehensive birth record source for the
State of Florida is the State Department of Health and Rehabilitation
Services, Vital Statistics, PO Box 210, Jacksonville, FL 322231-0042.
(904) 359-6900 (Recorded info). This location maintains copies of all
birth records for the State, going back to 1917.

However, as a result of a State statute enacted in 1987, all birth
records in Florida are now considered confidential. Copies, or even
information from certificates, may only be issued to the birth
registrant, the parents or legal guardian, or a legal representative of
the registrant. So it appears no one can verify the claim that RL's
birth records have vanished without his written permission.

In more recent disclosure in an Internet nwsgroup, Gene Huff (RL's
friend and partner) disclosed the reason RL had difficulty obtaining a
copy of his birth record was due to his adoptive status, but one was
finally acquired.

1974: Social Security number issued in New York State.
RL's Social Security number and current address, while in the public
records, have been deleted from this document in the interests of his
privacy. However, the SS # begins with 068 which indicates it was
issued in the state of New York. It is possible to determine from the
remainder of the SS # that it most likely was issued in 1974.

August 1976:
According to Stanton Friedman, RL graduated from W. Tresper Clarke High
School (740 Edgewood Drive, East Meadow Union Free District) in
Westbury Long Island, New York. His class standing was number 261 out
of a class of 369. Further, according to Friedman, this would put RL in
the bottom third of his class and entry into Cal Tech or MIT generally
requires the student be in the top 10% of the class. (15)

1976: Claims to have attended Los Angeles Pierce College. (14)
This has been confirmed by Stanton Friedman. After RL stated that one
of his professors at Cal Tech was named "Duxler", Friedman located a
William Duxler, a Math and Physics professor at Pierce College, who was
able to determine that RL had taken at least one of his courses in the
late 1970's. Duxler said he never taught at Cal Tech. (15)

June 1977:
RL's parents purchased a home at 20650 Martha Street in Woodland Hills,
California. (OR 77-592189 thru 592191) (10)

August 1978:
RL's parents moved to 4914 Natoma Avenue in Woodland Hills. (OR
78-1030636 thru 1030638) (10)

1978:
RL claims a Bachelor of Science degree in Physics and Electronic
Technology, from Pacifica University (correspondence university),
according to RL's Pre-Sentence Report for his pandering conviction
(Case 94922). Pacifica was shut down in 1978 by the State of California
for selling degrees.

"1977 or 78":
Claims to have attended Cal State University, Northridge, "for a short
time for some classes", then on to CalTech.(14)

"The Big T" is the student yearbook for CalTech. At the Millikan
Library at CalTech, every page of every issue of "The Big T" from the
year 1977 through 1982 was checked. There is no photo or mention of RL
anywhere in any of the activities, highly improbable were he a student
there. Checking by George Knapp (1) and Stanton Friedman with the
administration revealed no records of RL's attendance. Although Good
reports Friedman has confirmed RL's attendance at Cal State Northridge,
Friedman says this is not correct and he has not made any inquiries to
Cal State Northridge. (There was a Robert Lazar who graduated from
Northridge in 1978 with a degree in Business Administration, but
examination of the yearbook clearly indicates he's a different
Lazar)(1) (15)

July 27, 1980: RL married Carol Nadine Strong in Woodland Hills, California.
According to the marriage certificate, at the time of the marriage they
were both living at 21619 Strathern, #1, Canoga Park, California. The
certificate list's RL's occupation as "Electronics Engineer" and his
highest school grade completed as 12. RL's birthdate was listed as
January 26, 1959 in Florida. Carol's occupation was listed as
"Electronics Technician" and her highest school grade completed was
also 12. Carol's date of birth was March 21, 1946, in California,
making her 13 years older than RL. The certificate lists this as the
first marriage for both.

Per the certificate RL's parents were Albert Lazar and Phyllis Berliner
(maiden name), both born in New York state. Carol's parents were Harold
Strong, born in California, and Verda Jones (maiden name), born in
Colorado. The marriage was witnessed by Chee Leung of 1485 1/4 Scott
Avenue in Los Angeles, and Lois Kurz of 15210 Sherman Way, #52, in Van
Nuys. The marriage was conducted by Rabbi Bernard M. Cohen of 23300
Aetna Street in Woodland Hills, Calif. (Certificate # 1980 O-025327)
(10)

"Probably 1982": Date of claimed Masters Degree from MIT. (14)
At Rachel-93, RL was asked for the year of his graduation from MIT and
if he got a Ph.D. He replied, "No, it was a Master's degree. The year.
What was the year of graduation? Probably eighty two because I think I
left there and went to Los Alamos."

Glenn Campbell checked the following sources at the Institute Archives
at MIT (See reference 14): Student directories between 1978 and 1990,
Faculty/Staff phone directories between 1978 and 1990, MIT Degree List
between 1979 and 1980, and the 1989 MIT Alumni/ae Register. There was
no listing of RL in any of these documents. (16) Stanton Friedman has
also checked with the MIT Registrar's office and the Alumni office and
has found no evidence of attendance. Friedman reports RL is not on the
1982 commencement list. (15)

1982: Listing in Los Alamos National Laboratory phone book, located by
George Knapp. (8)
Stanton Friedman states: "The phone book is not just from LANL but
LANL, The Department of Energy, Kirk Meier (spelling uncertain) and
others. The listing after Bob's name clearly shows K/M which means Kirk
Meier and proves he did NOT work for LANL, but for a subcontractor.
This seems appropriate since the Meson Facility mentioned in the
Monitor article is a user facility with teams coming from all over to
set up their equipment for experiments at the accelerators. As many as
1000 people per year can go through there. They work at the Lab, NOT
for the Lab. They do get listed in the phone directory. He apparently
was a technician." (15)

Strangely, the bankruptcy file (13) in 1986 does not show employment at
LANL or Kirk-Mayer (correct spelling), only that of a self-employed
photo processor.

May 1982:
According to the Los Alamos Monitor, RL and Carol moved to Los Alamos
from California. From the dates and addresses listed in the bankruptcy
papers, it appears they settled in a rented duplex at 3964-B Sycamore
and at some later date opened a photo processing business at 941-A 18th
Street. (3) (13)

June 27, 1982: Los Alamos Monitor article appeared about RL and his Honda
jet car. (3)
The article, which appeared on the front page, identifies RL as "..a
physicist at the Los Alamos Meson Physics Facility." There are a total
of four photos of what appear to be a Honda Civic hatchback (California
license plate JETUBET) with air scoops on the top and sides, and a jet
nozzle protruding from the rear where the license plate would normally
go. The article says the engine, composed of stainless steel and
titanium, runs for 30 to 60 seconds on liquid propane with a kerosene
afterburner producing 800 pounds of thrust. Oddly, "The jet cannot get
the car going from a dead stop..." and must be driven in the normal
manner up to about 90 mph. There is no compressor and RL claimed it was
"..the most efficient jet engine available. A standard jet uses six
pounds of fuel for every pound of thrust; Lazar said he uses 1.3 pounds
of fuel for a pound of thrust." RL stated the car had been driven over
200 mph on a dry lake near Los Angeles

The article states the car "...attracts a lot of attention for the
Lazars, who moved to Los Alamos about a month ago from California."
From the article's descriptions of the Lazars' experiences in
California, it appears they had been there for some time before coming
to Los Alamos.

June 28, 1982:
Dr. Edward Teller gives a lecture at Los Alamos and RL claims to have
met him prior to the talk as Teller was reading Sunday's newspaper
story about RL and his jet car (The Monitor was not published on
Mondays). (1) (3)

The Los Alamos Monitor of June 29, 1982 reported on its front page that
Teller spoke at length against the nuclear freeze movement in this
country. The article also said the auditorium at LANL was packed.

1984:
The bankruptcy papers show RL borrowed $4,000 from his mother (Phyllis
S. Lazar) and, at the time of the bankruptcy filing, had repaid only
$500. (13)

1985:
Per the April 1994 issue of Omni magazine, "...while on vacation in
Nevada, he (RL) wound up buying into a legal Reno brothel; the
investment proved so profitable that he didn't have to return to full
time employment for a while". Per Good, it was owned by RL and Carol,
and called the "Honeysuckle Ranch" in northern Nevada. In the
bankruptcy papers filed in 1986, no mention is made of any ownership of
income from a brothel.

1985:
According to the bankruptcy papers, RL purchased a 1984 Corvette for
$19,000. Repaid only $550. It was repossessed in 1986 prior to the
bankruptcy filing. (13)

1985:
RL borrowed $15,000 from father (Albert M. Lazar), and had repaid only
$1,000 by the time of the bankruptcy filing. (13)

1985:
According to the bankruptcy papers, RL borrowed a total of $60,000 from
Los Alamos National Bank, secured by a $7,900 1984 Honda. Repaid only
$1,300 by the time of the bankruptcy filing. (13)

March 22, 1985:
RL borrowed at least $12,000 from the Bank of Los Alamos for retrofit
kits to the film printer(s) at his photo processing business and 300
rolls of 35mm film. Repaid only $300 by the time of the bankruptcy
filing and the equipment was repossessed at some time prior to the
filing. (13)

May 7, 1985:
According to the bankruptcy papers, RL and Carol borrowed $5,000 via a
"3 Minute Loan" from Security Pacific Finance Corp. of Albuquerque, New
Mexico. (13)

June 13, 1985:
RL and Carol purchased a new home at 1933 Ann Greta Street in Las Vegas
from R.A. Homes of Nevada (OR 2129:2088021). From the bankruptcy file
and other documents, it appears Carol took up primary residence there
and RL remained in Los Alamos. (11)

1986:
Purchased 1985 Honda CRX for $9,000. Repaid only $300 by the time of
the bankruptcy filing and was repossessed sometime in 1986, prior to
the filing. (13)

March 26, 1986:
RL borrowed $2,000 from John Horne of Los Alamos for down payment on a
jet car. As of March 2, 1987, the debt had not been repaid, according
to the bankruptcy file. (13)

April 19, 1986: RL married Tracy Anne Murk at the "We've Only Just Begun"
Wedding Chapel in Las Vegas.
At the time, RL was apparently still legally married to Carol. No
divorce proceedings were on file with the Clark County Clerk's office,
and Carol's published obituaries and death certificate identified RL as
her husband at the time. The minister at the wedding was William Sharp
and the recorded marriage certificate was mailed to 1073 Cheyenne, Los
Alamos. (OR 0765:0400067) (11)

April 21, 1986: Carol Lazar died in Las Vegas. (4)(5)
Carol Lazar's death certificate (# 001423-86) is on file with the Clark
County Health District, 625 Shadow Lane, Las Vegas, (702) 383-1223. The
district will not release copies of certificates except to family
members or in a few other special instances. However, the certificates
are available for inspection by those with "legitimate interests". This
would include journalists and researchers.

According to data on the certificate, the death was ruled a suicide and
the cause was carbon monoxide poisoning. The method was given as
"Inhalation of motor vehicle exhaust". It occurred at 1933 Ann Greta.
The case was referred to the Coroner, but no autopsy was performed.

Quoting the obituary in the Las Vegas Review-Journal, April 23, 1986,
Page 2B: "Carol Lazar died Monday. She was a two-year resident of Las
Vegas and was a self-employed film processor in the photography
industry. She is survived by her husband Robert of Las Vegas. Private
services and burial were handled by Davis Funeral Home".

April 1986:
Per statements in the bankruptcy file, RL left Los Alamos and moved to
Las Vegas. The addresses listed in those papers indicate he moved to
the Ann Greta house. (13)

July 21, 1986: RL files for bankruptcy.
RL voluntarily filed for a Chapter 7 (which is a liquidation)
bankruptcy in Las Vegas citing "loss of business" and "death of spouse"
as reasons.(Case BK 86-01623). (13)

In the file, under penalty of perjury, RL stated his occupation was a
Photo Processor, that he was self employed at his residence, and had
been so for 6 years. There was no mention of employment at LANL. When
asked if he had been in a partnership with anyone or engaged in any
business within the preceding 6 years, RL stated "No". Within the
preceding 2 years, RL stated the amount of income he received from his
trade was "Unknown", that he had received no other income from other
sources and had not filed tax returns for the period.

RL stated that his records for the two years prior to July 1986, along
with $15,000, had vanished with his accountant, Scott R. Maxwell of
Santa Fe, who moved and left no forwarding address. RL said a police
report on the incident was filed in Los Alamos.

RL also stated no other person was holding anything of value in which
he had an interest. There was no mention anywhere in the documents of
ownership, either part or full, of a brothel.

RL listed his monthly expenses for mortgage, utilities, food, car
payments, etc., as totaling $2,360. He listed another monthly debt of
$13,150, and although required to specify what it was, did not. Thus
his total monthly expenses were given as $15,510.

Oct. 12, 1986: RL married Tracy for a second time.
This time, for reasons unknown, Tracy used the name of Jackie Dianne
Evans. Wedding was at the "Chapel of Love" in Las Vegas by Minister
James B. Terrell (OR 0773:0431981). The recorded marriage certificate
was sent to the Ann Greta address. (11)

March 19, 1987: Bankruptcy final decree was issued.
. Final accounting showed $173,250 in assets (home and photo
equipment), and $270,324 in debts. (13)

1988:
RL met John Lear, precise date unknown. (1)

March 16, 1988:
A "Notice of Default" was issued for the Ann Greta house for failing to
make payments from 7-1-87 and thereafter. The trustee of the loan
declared it due and if not paid immediately, would be foreclosed on.
(OR 880316:00333)(11)

March 22, 1988:
Tracy/Jackie purchased a home on LXXXXX Street in Las Vegas under the
name "Jackie Evans".

The home was purchased from Michael and Carolyn Tutay by "Jackie Evans,
a married woman as her sole and separate property". Concurrently, RL
quitclaimed any interests in this house to her ( OR 880322:124 thru
127). ( A quitclaim is a document transferring whatever rights or
interests a property owner may have, if any, to another without any
guarantee or warranty of title.) (11)

August 4, 1988:
The Ann Greta house was sold at auction by the trustee for $97,400 (OR
880912:262). (11)

December 1988: RL began claimed work period at S-4.(1)
According to Good, RL "..would be called by phone and told when to go
to McCarran Airport, where a Boeing 737 (probably a 737-200 belonging
to EG&G) would fly him and others to Groom Lake. From there, after
waiting briefly in a cafeteria, a bus with blocked out windows drove
the remainder of the journey along a dirt road to an area estimated to
be ten to fifteen miles south of Groom Lake, adjacent to Papoose Lake."

March 1989: According to Good's account, RL began initial interviews with
George Knapp. (1)
Per the Lindemann interview, they were done for "safekeeping" (2).
Curiously, in a radio interview with Chuck Harder on the "For The
People" show on November 17, 1989, George Knapp stated John Lear didn't
introduce him to RL until May, 1989.

March 22, 1989: First Wednesday night trip to Tikaboo Valley to view disc
test.
Observers were RL, Tracy Lazar, Gene Huff and John Lear, using Lear's
RV. Lear was the only one who saw the elliptical shaped light through a
telescope and the total sighting lasted about 7 minutes. (1)

March 29, 1989: Second Wednesday night trip to view test.
Observers were RL, Tracy Lazar, Gene Huff and Jim Tagliani. They took a
videotape of a moving light with a timestamp of 8:30 PM shown on the
tape. (1) (2) (9)

April 5, 1989: Third Wednesday night trip to view test.
Observers were RL, Tracy Lazar, her sister, Gene Huff and John Lear.
They were discovered by guards and detained and questioned by the
Lincoln County Sheriff. (1) (14)

April 7, 1989: RL's last "work day". Debriefed at Indian Springs Airfield.
(1)
RL says he was ordered to report to Indian Springs where he was
interrogated about the previous night's activities. In Good's book RL
says "I was never officially fired and my clearance was never
officially taken away", but that he refused to go back for fear of his
safety. In Lindemann's book RL says "I didn't actually leave, they
denied my clearance." The reason given for the clearance revocation was
the instability of RL's marriage to Tracy, who RL claims was having an
affair with her flight instructor. (14)

May 1989:
According to sworn statements in the divorce records, RL separated from
Tracy/Jackie. (12)

May 1989:
RL's first interviews with George Knapp were broadcast on Las Vegas'
KLAS-TV, in silhouette, using the pseudonym "Dennis".

Nov. 10, 1989:
KLAS-TV, which earlier in the week began a series of reports by George
Knapp on UFOs, identified and interviewed RL.

Nov. 21, 1989:
RL and Gene Huff were guests on the "Billy Goodman Happening" radio
show on KVEG 840 AM.

Nov. 25, 1989:
"UFOs: The Best Evidence" a 2 hour compilation of previous reports, is
shown on KLAS-TV.

Dec. 9, 1989:
RL appeared on "On The Record", hosted by George Knapp, on KLAS-TV.

Dec. 20, 1989:
RL was a guest on the "Billy Goodman Happening" radio show on KVEG 840
AM.

June 5, 1990:
RL was arrested in Las Vegas for pandering. (6)

June 18, 1990: RL plead guilty to a felony charge of pandering in District
Court. (6)
According to the LV Sun, "The guilty plea was part of a plea bargain in
which the district attorney's office agreed not to pursue additional
prostitution- related charges."

The story in the LV Review-Journal said RL met prostitute Toni Bulloch
as a customer and helped her set up her business in the Newport Cove
apartments on Tamarus Street. The story also stated, "The records show
that Lazar later helped Bulloch in setting up the business, that he did
indeed keep computer records of customers, and that he also took at
least a 50 percent share of her fees. Lazar was also interested in
recruiting other women into the operation, the records state."

July 25, 1990: RL is divorced from Tracy/Jackie (Case D 130180). (12)
According to the proceedings of the case, RL received the house on
LXXXXX Street and any equipment and/or revenue from his businesses
known as "Jet Processing", "United Nuclear" and "Red Light Racing".
Tracy/Jackie received a pickup truck and various furniture and
audio-video items. The proceedings also identified both marriages
(i.e., first as Tracy and again as Jackie) and directed that
Tracy/Jackie would retain the name "Tracy Lazar".

August 20, 1990: Sentencing date.
As a result of his pandering conviction, RL was sentenced to 6 months
probation, 150 hours of community service, ordered to undergo
psychotherapy and to stay away from brothels. (7)

The article in the LV Review-Journal said that although "state parole
and probation authorities had recommended a four month prison
evaluation of Lazar", the prosecutor, John Lukens, said that the
circumstances of the case were such that "Metro vice and the DA have no
opposition to probation." The article also said the court received
letters supporting RL from George Knapp and Representative James
Bilbray, D-Nevada.

Sept. 13, 1990:
"Jackie Evans Lazar" quitclaims house on LXXXXX Street to RL, thus
transferring ownership to him. (OR 900913:00477) (11)

Dec. 12, 1990:
The IRS places a $4,897 lien on RL for taxes (OR 901213:608). (11)

May 1, 1993:
RL speaks at the "Ultimate UFO Seminar" held at the Little A-Le-Inn in
Rachel, Nevada.(14)

June 11, 1993:
Daily Variety, an entertainment industry newspaper reports "New Line
Nabs Pic Based on Gov't UFO Scientist". Excerpts from the story: "The
life story of former U.S. government scientist Bob Lazar that was
recently put into turnaround by Gruber-Peters Prods. has been put on an
earthly fast track by New Line Cinema for director Chuck Russell,
according to Michael De Luca, New Line's exec veepee/CEO."

"New Line finalized the deal for the untitled film on Wednesday after
Lazar considered competing offers from producer Steve Tisch,
Simpson-Bruckheimer Prods. and actor Steven Seagal, De Luca said."

"De Luca said the pic will have an $8 million to $10 million budget and
will shoot in fall or early `94 with a `94 release."

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Notes

In the above "OR" means Official Record of the County Recorder's office.

The dates shown reflect the precision with which they are known. Precise
dates are used whenever possible.

Per Lindemann in UFOs and The Alien Presence, 6 Viewpoints, RL has been
granted patents. Areas unknown. In a personal discussion with Lindemann, I
asked about the patent comment, but Lindemann was unable to recall even
making the statement in his book. I have made several patent searches for
anything by Robert Lazar with negative results.

Per Timothy Good, RL worked at S-4 only 6 or 7 days between December 1988
and April 1989. Per RL at Rachel-93, he flew in between 4 and 5 PM, and left
by 11 PM. Therefore, his total employed hours at S-4 must be 49 hours or
less, or just over the equivalent of one week's work.

Document Sources And Availability

(1) Alien Contact, by Timothy Good, published by William Morrow and Co.,
1993 (AKA Alien Liaison)

(2) UFOs and The Alien Presence, 6 Viewpoints, by Michael Lindemann, 1991.
Published by the 2020 Group, 3463 State Street, Box 264, Santa Barbara, CA
93105

(3) Los Alamos Monitor, June 27, 1982, page A1, "LA Man Joins the Jet Set -
at 200 Miles an Hour". This document is only available for on-site
inspection and copying at the offices of the Monitor, 256 DP Road, Los
Alamos, NM 87544. (505) 662-4185. This story has been transcribed and placed
on the Internet.

(4) Las Vegas Sun, April 23, 1986, Page 8B, "Obituaries". Available on
microfilm at the offices of the Sun or numerous libraries.

(5) Las Vegas Review-Journal, April 23, 1986, Page 2B, "Deaths". Available
on microfilm at the offices of the R-J or numerous libraries.

(6) Las Vegas Review-Journal, June 19, 1990, Page 8B, "Source in Channel 8's
UFO series pleads guilty to pandering charge". Available on microfilm at the
offices of the R-J or numerous libraries.

(7) Las Vegas Review-Journal , August 21, 1990, Page 2C, "Judge gives UFO
`witness' Lazar probation on pandering charge". Available on microfilm at
the offices of the R-J or numerous libraries.

(8)UFO's, The Best Evidence, video by George Knapp. Available from "Video
Dave" at the UFO Audio-Video Clearing House, PO Box 342, Yucaipa, CA 92399,
(909) 795-3361. Call for details and prices.

(9)The Lazar Tape, video by Tri-Dot Productions, 1324 S. Eastern, Las Vegas,
NV 89104. This tape had been available at a price of $29.95 + $3.50 S&H. A
newer, slightly more expensive version with enhanced production values is
the final stages.

(10) Public records, Los Angeles County Registrar/Recorder/Clerk's office.,
12400 E. Imperial Highway, Norwalk, CA. (Marriage certificates are $13
each,: 310 462-2137) (Real estate documents are $2 for the 1st page and
$0.50 for each page thereafter: 310 462- 2133)

(11) Public records, Clark County Recorder's office, 309 S. 3rd Street, (or
PO Box 551510) Las Vegas, NV 89155- 1510. (702) 455-4336. Cost for Official
Records is $1.00 per page. Certified marriage certificates are $7.00.

(12) Public records, Clark County Clerk's office, 200 S. 3rd Street (or PO
Box 551601) Las Vegas, NV 89155-1601. (702) 455-4411. Cost varies per
document. Call.

(13) Public records, Case BK 86-01623, US Federal Bankruptcy Court, Las
Vegas.(702) 388-6257. Cost for bankruptcy papers is a $25.00 retrieval fee
and about $8.00 for copying the roughly 120 pages of information.

(14) Public question and answer session by RL on May 1, 1993 at Rachel,
Nevada. "Bob Lazar at The Ultimate UFO Seminar" transcript available from
Glenn Campbell, PO Box 448, Rachel, NV 89001. Cost is $8.00 plus $2.00
postage (Overseas airmail is $5.00).

(15) Personal correspondence with Stanton Friedman, dated June 27, 1994.
Quoted with permission.

(16) Documentation of Glenn Campbell's search for RL's records and
instructor at MIT is available from him at PO Box 448, Rachel, NV 89001.
Include $1.00 for copying and postage (This info is included as part of
reference 14).
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[Jon God]

I don't really trust Lazar even more now,

[Deqlyn]

Agreed