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Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 6:55 pm
by Woden
iron wrote:Heh, no not disappointed - just wondering how many Archers there are out there :)
On smaller maps I usually go with 5-7.
Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 7:33 pm
by Orlando the Axe
I go with 21 if I'm capping desert
Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 7:47 pm
by Archer
None. They're all either Fir'Bolg or Bowmen.
~J
Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 1:27 pm
by Sam The Butcher
Hey, so I have watched a few films and kind of started noticing a pattern. I am wondering if there is something to it in the programming. From watching films it seems to be that most of the duds happen when an oppenent is making a charge for the duff. In some of the films the duds seem to be about normal 10% but as soon as someone charges their oppenent all of a sudden duffs start throwing more duds. Are the bombs being snuffed out because they are flying past units? I have a few films I don't know if you want to sit through them just for a certain part. In one of the films someone else says how he has noticed the same thing. He says something like "Why does it seem like when duffs will do alot of damage or something they throw duds?" I am gonna keep watching for this. Mb does just seem that it happens that way cause the duds that get remembered are the most crucial ones it's still to early to say, but right now it looks like something IS affecting the bombs.
Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 11:30 am
by Sam The Butcher
Hey, is there a difference in the chances of a dud if you control click vs clicking on an enemy unit? It does seem so far that control clicking IS apt to more duds. Is it?
Thanks Sam
Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 7:08 pm
by iron
hmm, not quite. There's several ways a bottle can blow up. When it hits the ground or a unit, it has a 3 in 4 chance of exploding (hence a 1 in 4 chance of bouncing). Myth doesn't differentiate between hitting a unit, a tree, a building or the ground. The bottle can also detonate when between 5 and 9 seconds have elapsed, assuming it hasn't blown up already.
When the bottle does detonate, there's a 1 in 10 chance that instead of exploding it duds. That's unaffected by whatever method was used to cause it to detonate.
Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 12:54 pm
by haravikk
Hmm, this is just a wild stab but if in fact bottles are dudding more vs units than the ground then here's something to consider:
When a bottle hits the ground, does it hit it more than once in a single 'bounce'?
It's just that units are sprites which are a bit different to a 3d mesh and I'm wondering if when a bottle hits the ground it registers a hit and bounces, however on the way up Myth may still think it is 'hitting' the mesh because it isn't yet far enough away, and as a result will check for explosion a second time.
As a result the bottle would have a double or more chance of going off on the ground than when hitting a unit.
A shot in the dark, and I don't know how it could be tested easily (unless you can log when a projectile registers an impact) but it might be what we're looking for?
Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 5:27 pm
by iron
Well, there really isn't a difference between hitting a sprite or the mesh. Both are a collision in Myth's eyes, and will detonate or bounce the bottle in exactly the same way.
Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 2:20 am
by Sam The Butcher
If there isnt anything causing the duds then why is it that THERE ARE more duds when enemies are charging. I have watch quit a few films and most duds Do accure when enemy is attacking. I sat and threw bombs in a game by myself and was about 10% duds but as soon as I get in a game and am being rushed duff starts throwing duds. Is there a chance that they get snuffed out when they hit enemy unit. Cause alot of duds are happening that way. The bomb hits their shins goes out then lands at their feet. I dont know if you want to sit through bunch of films just to watch for a few parts in each but I have some.
Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 7:36 am
by iron
A good test would be to aim bottles at the thrall/maul on Stair of Grief, or the krids on Twice Born. That should give enough samples to indicate whether its an issue or not?
Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 8:40 am
by GHOST®
[color=DFC99B]From my testings I havent seen an increase or decrease in duds. Though RotD uses modified bottles to act more like TFL bottles, I have had no noticeable issues of duding on incoming units. Even if the unit is closer than the dorf toss range, I can ctrl-attack the ground behind the units and the bottle will smak the unit and detonate.[/color]
Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 9:22 am
by Baron LeDant
stair of grief would be a great map to test on with ll the snow and all....
d0ng!
Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 9:43 am
by GHOST®
[color=DFC99B]
Baron LeDant wrote:stair of grief would be a great map to test on with ll the snow and all....
d0ng!
Doh !!, since the Question appears to be "Are bottles dudding more on
incoming units", I think Stair of Grief would work fine. ;op[/color]
Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 2:26 pm
by Gholsbane
GHOST® wrote:issues of duding
Dude! You've got issues!
Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 3:48 pm
by Doobie
::in a lisping voice:: "issues make people angry"
(for any kinds in the hall fans lurking out there)